Post by casias on Nov 18, 2016 18:17:50 GMT -5
Several months ago I posted a "buyer beware" thread about BP Automotive. teh thread is searchable under "hate to flame a vendor...", but I am not able to post a link after being warned by the forum moderator.
Summary.
I purchased a stand-alone power system from BP automotive for $1400. A steep price, but I really wanted a plug-and-play wiring system.
Issues I had from day 1.
1) No PCM power. I spoke with Bill at BP Automotive, and he was less than helpful from the first phone call. He is "too busy for this", and cocky, "All of my harnesses work. It mus be something you have done". When I asked for some help troubleshooting, he goes on 30 minute tirades about his wife's illness, his skills and abilities, and how many "thousands" of good customers are happy with his work.
2) After several hours, I found no power to pin 47 on my E38 PCM. During a second phone call, he assured me I didn't need power, even though the wiring diagram on LT1swap.com shows it should have switched power, and the pin actually had a pink wire in it. When I bypassed and connected it to switched power, PCM woke right up. Hmmmm.
3) Fuel pump would not run. So, I bypassed that and the engine started up.
4) TCM could not be seen. No power at all, no communication. After hours of frustration, and based on my previous conversations with Bill, I took the vehicle to Jared at Current Performance. Another wire bypassed, and he was able to get the TCM running.
5) We also noticed that the + and - bus to the TCM were swtiched. So we had to switch those as well.
6)And.....fans wouldn't work. Setting the temp to 192 on both fan control circuits, and engine at 210 or higher, no fan trigger at all.
For those of you keeping track. PCM, TCM, bus wires, fuel pump and fans all needed bypass or repair. So I have now hacked into the something like 5 times, and I am literally plugging in bypass wires under the hood every time I want to drive the truck.
This bothered me. So, about a week ago, a friend was helping me check continuity on all of the original circuits. I can't stand all of the hacked-up bypasses, and nothing is working right. We noticed that the green/white fuel pump wire from the fuse panel was showing continuity to the pink pin 47 wire (the first wire I found defective). Then, checking the fuel pump pin 50, found that it connected to the pink pin 47 wire on the fuse panel.
Hmmmm. Something is crossed.
Way back when I put this harness in, there was a weather-pack connector that goes from the fuse panel to the harness. I connected this and tucked it behind the plastic fender liner, safely out of the way and out of the weather.
So, I pull the liner out, and found the problem. If you notice, the dk blue and green wires for the fan trigger are on the left on the top connector, and on the right on the bottom. A close inspection shows the grn/wht fuel pump wire is actually crossing over to the pink pin 47 wire, and the pink pin 47 is crossing over to the grn/wht fuel pump wire.
Makes sense now, doesn't it?
I know mistakes happen, but I have spent at least 100 hours trying to sort this out. This complaint is not about the defect, it is about this jerks complete arrogance in himself, and his complete disregard for the customer after the fact. Go back and read his response on the previous thread. He blames me for choosing and E38 PCM instead of his recommendation of an E67. He also says that getting the product out the door is more important than spending time on the phone helping people with the product they purchased.
Again. Buyer beware. If you give this guy $1400 and get a defective harness, you are on your own. He will tell you to "come to Kentucky and sue me", and then slam the phone down on you.
And the pictures.
Connector. Notice that the grn/wht fuel pump wire is in the 5th position from the right on the upper connector, and the 4th position from the right on the lower connector. Also notice that the dk blu and green wires (fan control wires), are to the far left positions 6 and 7 from the right on the upper connector, but in positions 2 and 3 on the lower connector.
Getting into anyone else's wiring is always a painful experience.
Yeah, that's my $1400 wiring harness.
Summary.
I purchased a stand-alone power system from BP automotive for $1400. A steep price, but I really wanted a plug-and-play wiring system.
Issues I had from day 1.
1) No PCM power. I spoke with Bill at BP Automotive, and he was less than helpful from the first phone call. He is "too busy for this", and cocky, "All of my harnesses work. It mus be something you have done". When I asked for some help troubleshooting, he goes on 30 minute tirades about his wife's illness, his skills and abilities, and how many "thousands" of good customers are happy with his work.
2) After several hours, I found no power to pin 47 on my E38 PCM. During a second phone call, he assured me I didn't need power, even though the wiring diagram on LT1swap.com shows it should have switched power, and the pin actually had a pink wire in it. When I bypassed and connected it to switched power, PCM woke right up. Hmmmm.
3) Fuel pump would not run. So, I bypassed that and the engine started up.
4) TCM could not be seen. No power at all, no communication. After hours of frustration, and based on my previous conversations with Bill, I took the vehicle to Jared at Current Performance. Another wire bypassed, and he was able to get the TCM running.
5) We also noticed that the + and - bus to the TCM were swtiched. So we had to switch those as well.
6)And.....fans wouldn't work. Setting the temp to 192 on both fan control circuits, and engine at 210 or higher, no fan trigger at all.
For those of you keeping track. PCM, TCM, bus wires, fuel pump and fans all needed bypass or repair. So I have now hacked into the something like 5 times, and I am literally plugging in bypass wires under the hood every time I want to drive the truck.
This bothered me. So, about a week ago, a friend was helping me check continuity on all of the original circuits. I can't stand all of the hacked-up bypasses, and nothing is working right. We noticed that the green/white fuel pump wire from the fuse panel was showing continuity to the pink pin 47 wire (the first wire I found defective). Then, checking the fuel pump pin 50, found that it connected to the pink pin 47 wire on the fuse panel.
Hmmmm. Something is crossed.
Way back when I put this harness in, there was a weather-pack connector that goes from the fuse panel to the harness. I connected this and tucked it behind the plastic fender liner, safely out of the way and out of the weather.
So, I pull the liner out, and found the problem. If you notice, the dk blue and green wires for the fan trigger are on the left on the top connector, and on the right on the bottom. A close inspection shows the grn/wht fuel pump wire is actually crossing over to the pink pin 47 wire, and the pink pin 47 is crossing over to the grn/wht fuel pump wire.
Makes sense now, doesn't it?
I know mistakes happen, but I have spent at least 100 hours trying to sort this out. This complaint is not about the defect, it is about this jerks complete arrogance in himself, and his complete disregard for the customer after the fact. Go back and read his response on the previous thread. He blames me for choosing and E38 PCM instead of his recommendation of an E67. He also says that getting the product out the door is more important than spending time on the phone helping people with the product they purchased.
Again. Buyer beware. If you give this guy $1400 and get a defective harness, you are on your own. He will tell you to "come to Kentucky and sue me", and then slam the phone down on you.
And the pictures.
Connector. Notice that the grn/wht fuel pump wire is in the 5th position from the right on the upper connector, and the 4th position from the right on the lower connector. Also notice that the dk blu and green wires (fan control wires), are to the far left positions 6 and 7 from the right on the upper connector, but in positions 2 and 3 on the lower connector.
Getting into anyone else's wiring is always a painful experience.
Yeah, that's my $1400 wiring harness.
